Marriage from Islamic & Jewish Perspectives

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 Interfaith Programme

“Marriage in Islam & in Judaism”

Date: 19th May 2008     Time: 8.00 pm

8.00pm – 8.05pm   Welcoming Guests
8.05pm – 8.15pm   Recitation with translation of the Holy Qur’an / Torah
8.15pm – 8.20pm   Welcome speech and introduction of guests by Kamruddin Khaki
8.20pm – 8.30pm   Introduction on days proceedings by Sheikh Abbas Ismail
8.30pm – 9.00pm   Marriage in Judaism by Rabbi Daniel Smith
                               Marriage in Islam by Sheikh Abbas Merali
9.03pm – 9.20pm   Namaz / Refreshments
9.20pm – 10.15pm  Group discussion

Venue:  KSIMC of London
              Islamic Centre
              Wood Lane
              Middx HA7 4LQ

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2nd Shura Meeting – Report

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Shura Meeting – Friday 28th December 2007

The second Shura meeting was held on Friday 28th December 2007 after the Eid-e-Ghadeer programme. The main topic for discussion was Promoting and Facilitating Marriage.

The meeting commenced with the recitation of the Qur’an. The meeting was chaired by the President Al-Haj Kamruddin Khaki (Kakaji) who was joined on the podium by the Vice President, Alhaj Murtaza Gulamhusein and the Hon Secretary, Alhaj Moshin Kassam.

Kakaji opened the meeting by giving an update on the issues raised at the last Shura meeting. The areas updated on were:

1. Zohrain Salaat: This has been implemented and Zohrain namaaz is being held at the Centre daily.
2. Maghribain salaat had still not been implemented due to lack of interest, but was still under discussion
3. Youth Azadari Drive (YAD) had been implemented to facilitate recitation of marthiyas and nawhas and create the next generation of reciters. The attendance has been phenomenal and great progress is being made.

Topics Discussed:

The topics that came up for discussion at the Shura meeting are summarised below:

1. The calendar does not specify sunset time. Can this be incorporated into future editions of the calendar.
2. Recitation of duas, Ziyarat and marthiyas should be equally distributed rather than allocated to the same reciters. Mukhi sub-committee will look at this and implement.
3. Ziyaraats recited on Eid should be relevant to the event rather than Ziyarat e Waaritha being recited.
4. Could blood donation be facilitated on Ashura?
5. A question was asked whether the Seniors Association is a BUJU or an independent body. The President clarified that the Seniors is an independent body and not a BUJU.
6. Minutes of the EC should be made available to the General Body via noticeboards, Website etc…
7. It was suggested that if khushali/wafaat events fall on bank holidays, then the programme should commence at awwal time
8. A question was asked whether there were any developments on a new centre. The President said that various options were being considered and once there was more information, this would be communicated to the members
9. There is an unused barrier in the car park that poses a H&S risk to children playing in the car park. The Hon. Secretary will pick this up and resolve the issue.
10. It was requested that volunteers should be asked to take extra care when moving cars in the car park to ensure that accidents do not occur in the car park.
11. Clarification was sought whether the Hussein Day that is being planned would be inclusive to other communities. The VP answered that other communities including inter-faith groups had been invited and gave a brief outline of what was being planned.
12. Muharram timings – the 7:45 start time was questioned as to whether any consultation had taken place.
13. Query was raised as to the length of time taken to respond to correspondence. The President assured the public that queries and issues are being and would be dealt with promptly.

Promoting and facilitating Marriage:

Discussion on Marriage commenced with an introduction by the President. He asked the members to come up with their ideas on how to facilitate match-making and marriage counselling within the community.

The points raised fell into the following categories:

1. How could we make new converts more welcome? Could a committee be set up consisting of youths etc… to make newcomers welcome and encourage them to come back to mosque.
2. Facilities for matchmaking are lacking. Main facility is Khoja match and Shia Match, but the whole thing is quite secretive and not widely publicised.
3. More match making sites should be set up.
4. Should matchmaking websites be moderated to ensure that only those serious in getting married can login?
5. Should marriages at an early age be encouraged?
6. Pre-marital and post-marital counselling should be introduced to facilitate marriage and resolve issues during marriage
7. Issues pertaining to life after marriage should also be addressed prior to marriage.
8. It was suggested that workshops be held with newlyweds to share experiences and help alleviate any negativity pertaining to marriage. 
9. A question was raised whether funding is available for those who want to get married but cannot afford it. The President said that this would be facilitated by the EC where possible.
10. Workshops should be held for parents with children of marriageable age.
11. A marriage committee should be set up to facilitate marriage. The committee should consist of respected and learned members of the community.
12. Matchmaking provides privacy which is a big positive compared to the matchmaking websites.
13. Matchmaking service needs improving
a. Needs confidentiality
b. Criteria not necessarily being taken into account
14. Youths need to be comfortable to be able to talk to the matchmakers
15. It was suggested that perhaps a resident aalim/elder be available for youths to go to in order to obtain guidance.

The meeting closed at 11pm.

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2nd Shura Meeting – “Marriages in our Community”

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On Friday 28th December 2007, following the Eid-e-Ghadeer programme, there will be a Shura Meeting. The meeting will convene with a progress update on various issues raised in the first Shura Meeting followed by a discussion on Marriages in our Community. Your participation, especially the Youth, Mothers & Fathers is humbly requested to ensure the issue is discussed thoroughly and input from a wide cross-section of our community obtained.

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Marriage Registration Procedures

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Planning a wedding is quite a challenge so this section will take you through the basic process. Our centre is an approved venue for Civil ceremony, which is conducted within the Islamic sharia, and performed: Monday to Sunday between 9:00am and 5:00pm only

Salient points for a Civil ceremony at KSIMC of London:

Legal Preliminaries – Notice of Civil Partnership
1. The first stage is to check the availability of the Authorised Person plus venue and make the booking.  
2. Then make an appointment for you to individually give notice of marriage at the register office in the area(s) where you live. The notice is a legal declaration that you are both free to form a civil partnership, which must be signed by each of you in the presence of the registration officer. You cannot ask a relative or friend to give notice for you. Both parties to the civil partnership must have lived in that borough for at least seven days prior to giving notice. At the time of booking an appointment, please inform them the venue as ‘Hussaini Shia – Islamic Centre, Stanmore’.
3. Obtain a registration / nikah form from Without the completion of this form your venue booking cannot be confirmed.  
4. It normally takes 21 days for the register office to grant you a certificate (Licence) for marriage, which is valid for 12 months.  You should thereafter reconfirm your venue booking with Jamaat Office.
5. For administrative purposes, copy of the certificate (Licence) will be required by Jamaat Office at least one week before the ceremony is booked to take place, and it is your responsibility to make sure this is done.     
6. Both parties must arrange for a person to recite Nikah at the Civil ceremony, even if this has already been done before.  
7. A set of Jamaat forms will need to be completed and signed before the ceremony can proceed.  
8. The cost of the Jamaat’s Nikah certificate is £10, the hiring of the hall is £50.00 per session and the registration and wedding certificate costs £40.00. (In accordance with the register office guidelines). These prices are correct at the time of going to press and may change in future.    

The original Certificate/s (Licence) will be required by the Authorised Person on the day of Registration without which the ceremony cannot proceed under any circumstances.    
Nikah ceremony at KSIMC of London:
1. Check your membership status and update if necessary.  
2. Book the date.  
3. Complete the Nikah / Registration form, without which you will be unable to get a confirmed booking, and pay deposit.
4. Speak to the head of catering and get the menu organised well in advance.    
5. Book Nikah Reciter(s).
6. It is your responsibility to give the programme of events for the Nikah day to Jamat Office at least a week before the ceremony.  
7. Settle the Invoice for the Nikah ceremony.  

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